The question of whether to go with a Hybrid-Roots supercharger or a centrifugal supercharger is as old as the debate of Coke vs. Pepsi. People on both sides of these arguments think that their choice is better than the other but their arguments are usually lacking any kind of empirical data to back up their claims. It has always widely been believed that the hybrid-roots blower will make more power down low but be out-powered by the centrifugal on the high end. Well I am here to dispel that myth since a very well done comparison was recently posted up on the Camaro5 forum (http://www.camaro5.com) by an independent tuning shop that sells every different supercharger on the market. This comparison was done on identically equipped 2010 Chevy Camaro SS’s with the LS3 and 6-speed Manual Transmission and tuned by the same person. The representative of the shop said that “they were different cars, but they were identical builds in terms of exhaust, header, heads, cam, etc. Of course they were both on our dyno as well, and both in similar weather (done within a week of each other in early spring).” He goes on to posit that “the difference [between the power curves] is great enough that even the variables of different cars would not [affect] the power differences you will see on the graphs.”
Follow the jump to see the overlaid dyno graphs to see for yourselves.
In the above dyno graph, the BLUE lines are the output from the MagnaCharger TVS2300 equipped car and the RED lines are the output from the Procharger. You will notice that at NO POINT does the Procharger out-power the Magnuson and its power delivery actually starts to taper off in the upper rpm range faster than the MagnaCharger. Then if you look at the area around 2800 rpms, The TVS2300 is making a whopping 120 ft-lbs of torque at the rear wheel OVER the Procharger. Oh, and in the battle of Coke vs. Pepsi, I’ll have a Coke.
Hahaha…. that’s from a thread I started on Camaro5. Still haven’t decided on Procharger or Magnuson. But, I will say this, the Procharger in this chart is not being represented truthfully.
I’ve seen a build with my own eyes with a ProCharger D-1SC that would put this chart to shame for both SC’s. 590btq. and 640rwhp @ 6psi., low down never more than 25-50lbtq. less than the maggie.
So let me get this straight. You are saying that 2 identically equipped Camaros, tuned by the same person, built/tuned/dynoed within a week of each other, with the same atmospheric conditions, with the same fuel, on the same dyno is biased? How can the Procharger be missrepresented. You CANNOT compare numbers from 2 different dynos on cars that were setup differently and tuned by different people. How do you know that the car that you are referring to isn’t running a higher octane fuel that the cars in this post? Pound-for-pound peak numbers on different superchargers will be darn near equal. The difference is going to be in how the power comes in. The Magnuson will create Boost and Torque instantly and consistently deliver gains all the way to redline. This is because the hybrid-roots style supercharger is a Positive Displacement Blower and moves its volume in air with each revolution – no matter what speed it spins at. Centrifugals, on the other hand, have to “spool up” like a turbo and have an output that increases with rotational speed giving the centrifugal its “peaky” powerband. All of this means that given the same psi of boost on the same car, the Magnuson will make the same PEAK hp as a centrifugal with more power “under the curve.”
I’ll take the Pepsi, since the TVS2300 is blue
I’m a torque lover and seriously just hate the noise of a Procharger squeeling.. if I wanted a centrifugal unit, I’d do it right and go with a turbo instead.. no belt alignment issues, no annoying noise, and boost when I want it where I want it.. not a system that will keep me want to keep my motor asking for fuel and lowering my fuel economy
yea you would get smoked by a supercharger with a turbo the turbo has to build its boost an S/C doesnt if you was doing a 1/8th of mile or 1/4 mile if both cars hook up with all of tht paower the S/C would out do a turbo i have the magnacharger an ive raced a twin turbo camaro with 771hp me at 670hp an i bust him all of the time both six speed cars im 4:11 gear with the strange S60 rear end hes at 4:10 gear with moser 12 bolt with alot of the same bolt ons an running the same octane an all i have a higher peak in hp rather his varys mines striaght up when his is like stairs when it climbs plus with the money on a twin turbo mightas well super charge it
More HP throughout the RPM than any other system. Hybrid-roots systems like the MagnaCharger seem to been proving this time after time!
After looking at all the posts for all the available info out there. I have decided to go with the “Magnsuon TVS 2300 Magna Supercharger” on my 2011 GT/CS Mustang.
LaMatto Performance Specialists, Longwood Florida, will be doing the install and I’m confident the results will be impressive.
Awesome Rodger! Please let us know what you think once you have it installed.
You guys thinking about doing anything with the New 2011+ Durangos? I’ve got an 11′ Citadel that is just begging for something. Was looking at Hennessey as well. Thanks.
Magnuson is always looking for the next vehicle to build a supercharger for. Next year will be exciting as we will be launching new product every month from March through December. Nothing at this time for the Durango, but we will put it on the list.
Are you expecting to be able to release a kit for the 2011 Dodge Charger 5.7L in March or anytime this year?